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Registering can be important for many reasons. There might be hesitation on handing out landlord certifications for also many reasons.

Registering in Kanthaus

Volunteers and Members can request registration. This will be voted upon by Volunteers and Members. There is a list of who is registered. The person registering should make sure it's getting updated.

Unregistering

A person should unregister in case of becoming a visitor or moving out of Kanthaus permanently. It should happen in a reasonable timeframe and ideally get communicated.

About rental contracts

Rental contracts (written and unwritten) are only for VolMems who plan to live in Kanthaus for a longer period of time.

Random knowledge & legal context

We pay 50€ a year per person registered for trash service
Making rental contracts temporary is usually invalid. There are only some reasons which don't really apply to us.
When taking money in return for living in the house, there already is a rental contract. It's best to have a written contract, verbal lease agreements can be annoying in the long run.
Visitors/guests are legally allowed to stay somewhere unregistered for up to 6 months. So basically forever with breaks. This only applies when they are not paying rent.
Tenants are legally required to register within two weeks after moving in (or deregister after moving out).
Providing false information during registration or failing to deregister is a violation and may result in fines.
If we suspect misuse, we could request a registration record inquiry (Melderegisterauskunft) by demonstrating legitimate interest and request a persons deregistration.

Alternatives to registering at Kanthaus

If people need to register somewhere in the area for official reasons, there are two options in Leipzig where you can have mail delivered to. It's not a shame to go to these places. It can still feel that way though.

Leipziger Oase - recommended
Tagestreff Insel - possibly more focussed on people having substance addictions; quite far from Leipzig central

Probably there are also social workers who could help with applying for social benefits and other problems. Calling first recommended.

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-Took this over from Larissas pad. Will work on it.
+Registering can be important for many reasons. There might be hesitation on handing out landlord certifications for also many reasons.
-== Process for registering in Kanthaus ==
-- I think 15 people per house is the maximum amount. Currently 12 are registered in K20, 2 in K22.
+== Registering in Kanthaus ==
+Volunteers and Members can request registration. This will be voted upon by Volunteers and Members.
+There is a list of who is registered. The person registering should make sure it's getting updated.
-== VolMems: ==
-- can register without having to ask but should announce it to the current group (they need a signed Wohnungsgeberbestätigung anyway)
-== Visitors ==
+== Unregistering ==
-- things to consider:
+A person should unregister in case of becoming a visitor or moving out of Kanthaus permanently. It should happen in a reasonable timeframe and ideally get communicated.
-    - how long are they planning on staying? (under 6 month they don't need to register in Kanthaus legally)
-    - whats the reason they need to register here? (e.g. to recieve Social benefits)
+== About rental contracts ==
+Rental contracts (written and unwritten) are only for VolMems who plan to live in Kanthaus for a longer period of time.
-- Reasons for registering:
+== Random knowledge & legal context ==
-    - defenitly are staying longer than 6 month (but maybe they become a volunteer then anyway)
-    - don't have another place to register/stay registered (flat, parents etc.)
-    - need to be registerd in germany to work/recieve social benefits
-- Reasons for not registering:
+* We pay 50€ a year per person registered for trash service
-    - only here for less then 6 month
+* Making rental contracts temporary is usually invalid. There are only some reasons which don't really apply to us.
-    - no need for social benefits
+* When taking money in return for living in the house, there already is a rental contract. It's best to have a written contract, verbal lease agreements can be annoying in the long run.
-== Legal information ==
+* Visitors/guests are legally allowed to stay somewhere unregistered for up to 6 months. So basically forever with breaks. This only applies when they are '''not''' paying rent.
-* Tenants are legally required to register within '''two weeks''' after moving in (or deregister after moving out), as stated in '''§ 17 of the Federal Registration Act (BMG)'''.
+* Tenants are legally required to register within two weeks after moving in (or deregister after moving out).
-* Landlords (we) are obligated to provide a '''confirmation of residence (Wohnungsgeberbescheinigung)''' under '''§ 19 BMG'''.
+* Providing false information during registration or failing to deregister is a violation and may result in fines.
-* If someone misuses our address (e.g., falsely registering as living there), we can notify the registration office. They can investigate and correct improper registrations.
+* If we suspect misuse, we could request a registration record inquiry (Melderegisterauskunft) by demonstrating legitimate interest and request a persons deregistration.
-* Under '''§ 54 BMG''', providing false information during registration or failing to deregister is a violation and may result in fines.
-* As landlords, we cannot obtain a list of people registered at our address without their consent due to data protection laws.
+== Alternatives to registering at Kanthaus ==
-* If we suspect misuse, we can request a '''registration record inquiry (Melderegisterauskunft)''' by demonstrating legitimate interest (e.g., former tenants fraudulently using our address).
+If people need to register somewhere in the area for official reasons, there are two options in Leipzig where you can have mail delivered to. It's not a shame to go to these places. It can still feel that way though.
-* Sources:
-  * [https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bmg/__17.html § 17 BMG – Registration Obligation (gesetze-im-internet.de)]
+* [https://www.diakonie-leipzig.de/angebote_fuer_menschen_in_not_wohnungslosenhilfe_-_leipziger_oase_de.html Leipziger Oase] - recommended
-  * [https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bmg/__19.html § 19 BMG – Confirmation of Residence (gesetze-im-internet.de)]
+* [https://www.suchtzentrum.de/insel Tagestreff Insel] - possibly more focussed on people having substance addictions; quite far from Leipzig central
- * [https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bmg/__54.html § 54 BMG – Administrative Offenses (gesetze-im-internet.de)]  * [https://service.berlin.de/dienstleistung/120686/ Melderegisterauskunft – Berlin.de]
-  * [https://www.datenschutz.org/melderegisterauskunft/ Registration Records Explained – Datenschutz.org (German)]
+Probably there are also social workers who could help with applying for social benefits and other problems. Calling first recommended.
- * If former tenants fail to deregister, we can report this to the registration office and request their deregistration.