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Having a person registered could eventually translate into problems or annoyances. There might be hesitation to handing out registration forms. Registering can be approached as written in this article.

Registering in Kanthaus

Applying

Volunteers and Members can apply for registration. This will be voted upon by Volunteers and Members. Voting time should be at least three days. Voting can happen via Mattermost, ukuvota or similiar

Upon acceptance

A board member will sign the registration form and update the list of people currently registered.

Unregistering

A person should unregister in case of becoming a visitor or moving out of Kanthaus permanently. It should happen in a reasonable timeframe and be communicated.

About rental contracts

Not having a rental contract is preferred. When asking for a rental contract it should be communicated what the upsides to this would be. Rental contracts (written and unwritten) are only for VolMems who plan to live in Kanthaus for a longer period of time.

Random knowledge & legal context

We pay 50€ a year per person registered for trash service
Making rental contracts temporary is usually invalid. There are only some reasons which don't really apply to us.
When taking money in return for living in the house, there already is a rental contract. It's best to have a written contract, verbal lease agreements can be annoying in the long run.
Visitors/guests are legally allowed to stay somewhere unregistered for up to 6 months. So basically forever with breaks. This only applies when they are not paying rent.
Tenants are legally required to register within two weeks after moving in (or deregister after moving out).
Providing false information during registration or failing to deregister is a violation and may result in fines.
If we suspect misuse, we could request a registration record inquiry (Melderegisterauskunft) by demonstrating legitimate interest and request a persons deregistration.

Alternatives to registering at Kanthaus

If people need to register somewhere in the area for official reasons, there are two options in Leipzig where you can have mail delivered to. It's not a shame to go to these places. It can still feel that way though.

Leipziger Oase - recommended
Tagestreff Insel - possibly more focussed on people having substance addictions; quite far from Leipzig central

Probably there are also social workers who could help with applying for social benefits and other problems. Calling first recommended.

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-Took this over from Larissas pad. Will work on it.
+Having a person registered could eventually translate into problems or annoyances. There might be hesitation to handing out registration forms. Registering can be approached as written in this article.
-== Process for registering in Kanthaus ==
+== Registering in Kanthaus ==
-- I think 15 people per house is the maximum amount. Currently 12 are registered in K20, 2 in K22.
-Proposal
+=== Applying ===
+Volunteers and Members can apply for registration. This will be voted upon by Volunteers and Members. Voting time should be at least three days. Voting can happen via Mattermost, ukuvota or similiar
-* Visitors: no (and let's be strict)
+=== Upon acceptance ===
-** Visitors who got registration/rental contract when they were vol/mem: 1 year to un-register
+A board member will sign the registration form and update the list of people currently registered.
-* Volunteers: can request, vol-mems decide within 7 days
-* Members: yes
+=== Unregistering ===
+A person should unregister in case of becoming a visitor or moving out of Kanthaus permanently. It should happen in a reasonable timeframe and be communicated.
-== VolMems: ==
+== About rental contracts ==
-- can register without having to ask but should announce it to the current group (they need a signed Wohnungsgeberbestätigung anyway)
-== Visitors ==
+Not having a rental contract is preferred. When asking for a rental contract it should be communicated what the upsides to this would be.
-- things to consider:
+Rental contracts (written and unwritten) are only for VolMems who plan to live in Kanthaus for a longer period of time.
-    - how long are they planning on staying? (under 6 month they don't need to register in Kanthaus legally)
-    - whats the reason they need to register here? (e.g. to recieve Social benefits)
+== Random knowledge & legal context ==
+* We pay 50€ a year per person registered for trash service
+* Making rental contracts temporary is usually invalid. There are only some reasons which don't really apply to us.
+* When taking money in return for living in the house, there already is a rental contract. It's best to have a written contract, verbal lease agreements can be annoying in the long run.
+* Visitors/guests are legally allowed to stay somewhere unregistered for up to 6 months. So basically forever with breaks. This only applies when they are '''not''' paying rent.
+* Tenants are legally required to register within two weeks after moving in (or deregister after moving out).
+* Providing false information during registration or failing to deregister is a violation and may result in fines.
+* If we suspect misuse, we could request a registration record inquiry (Melderegisterauskunft) by demonstrating legitimate interest and request a persons deregistration.
-- Reasons for registering:
+== Alternatives to registering at Kanthaus ==
-    - defenitly are staying longer than 6 month (but maybe they become a volunteer then anyway)
+If people need to register somewhere in the area for official reasons, there are two options in Leipzig where you can have mail delivered to. It's not a shame to go to these places. It can still feel that way though.
-    - don't have another place to register/stay registered (flat, parents etc.)
-    - need to be registerd in germany to work/recieve social benefits
-- Reasons for not registering:
+* [https://www.diakonie-leipzig.de/angebote_fuer_menschen_in_not_wohnungslosenhilfe_-_leipziger_oase_de.html Leipziger Oase] - recommended
-    - only here for less then 6 month
+* [https://www.suchtzentrum.de/insel Tagestreff Insel] - possibly more focussed on people having substance addictions; quite far from Leipzig central
-    - no need for social benefits
-== Getting a rental contract ==
+Probably there are also social workers who could help with applying for social benefits and other problems. Calling first recommended.
-Getting a rental contract is not needed to stay in Kanthaus. If people are interested in getting one, it is
-== Legal information ==
-* Tenants are legally required to register within '''two weeks''' after moving in (or deregister after moving out), as stated in '''§ 17 of the Federal Registration Act (BMG)'''.
-* Landlords (we) are obligated to provide a '''confirmation of residence (Wohnungsgeberbescheinigung)''' under '''§ 19 BMG'''.
-* If someone misuses our address (e.g., falsely registering as living there), we can notify the registration office. They can investigate and correct improper registrations.
-* Under '''§ 54 BMG''', providing false information during registration or failing to deregister is a violation and may result in fines.
-* As landlords, we cannot obtain a list of people registered at our address without their consent due to data protection laws.
-* If we suspect misuse, we can request a '''registration record inquiry (Melderegisterauskunft)''' by demonstrating legitimate interest (e.g., former tenants fraudulently using our address).
-* If former tenants fail to deregister, we can report this to the registration office and request their deregistration.
-* Sources:
- * [https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bmg/__17.html § 17 BMG – Registration Obligation (gesetze-im-internet.de)]
- * [https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bmg/__19.html § 19 BMG – Confirmation of Residence (gesetze-im-internet.de)]
- * [https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/bmg/__54.html § 54 BMG – Administrative Offenses (gesetze-im-internet.de)]
- * [https://www.datenschutz.org/melderegisterauskunft/ Registration Records Explained – Datenschutz.org (German)]